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« on: January 17, 2012, 08:41:55 AM »

Tomorrow there will be a black out of many sites on the internet to protest Stop Online Piracy ACT (SOPA), a bill in Congress and PIPA (Protect IP Act) its' companion bill in the Senate.  These two bills are supported by certain members on both sides of the isle and I believe they could be detrimental to a free and open internet.  There has been mounting pressure on Congress not  to pass these bills and hopefully they will not but allowing the government to censure the internet is not the way to go.  

In this modern age, the internet is the one place where unfiltered ideas can still be conveyed.  Yes, there are abuses but I would rather sort that out myself than have the government stick their nose in.  The problem with trying to stop online piracy is not that part of the idea but the formation of a group who would make decisions on just what sites will be shut down and for what reason.  I say leave it alone because even these measures are probably not going to be very successful at their main purpose but could lead to a a type of censureship we have never seen on the web.   Sad

Don't forget if it was not for the web the world would not know what is going on in some of these countries where the government has come down hard on dissenters.  We can not allow this to happen and I encourage everyone to write their congressmen and senators to kill these bills.  This is one area that Conservatives and Liberals should be able to agree.

Let me add an article printed today that explains this proposed law.   http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/16/us-usa-internet-piracy-idUSTRE80F1PU20120116 
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2012, 04:48:15 PM »

Well it seems to have worked.  A win for America  Grin

http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/204749-websites-strike-to-protest-online-piracy-bills

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Five key senators abandon online piracy bills amid Web protests

 By Brendan Sasso and Gautham Nagesh - 01/18/12 02:56 PM ET


Congressional support for controversial online piracy legislation eroded dramatically on Wednesday in the face of an unprecedented online protest supported by tech titans such as Google, Wikipedia and Facebook.

Several key senators withdrew their support from the Senate's Protect IP Act (PIPA), including Tea Party favorite Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), an elected member of his party's leadership.

Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas), who leads the Senate GOP's campaign team, said the legislation should be put on hold, while Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), a sponsor and the ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee, retreated from the bill. Sen. John Boozman (R-Ark.) also withdrew his sponsorship.Thousands of websites went dark on Wednesday to protest the two Internet piracy bills, the House's Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and the Senate's PIPA. At least two California Democrats, Reps. Anna Eshoo and Zoe Lofgren, joined the protests by blacking out their websites.

Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), a leader of Senate conservatives, also came out against the bills, calling them "misguided bills that will cause more harm than good."

"When protecting intellectual property rights, we must not undermine free speech, threaten economic growth, or impose burdensome regulations," DeMint tweeted.

Opposition is also building in the House. Two of the original Republican co-sponsors of SOPA, Reps. Ben Quayle (Ariz.) and Lee Terry (Neb.), withdrew their support Tuesday before the protests began, and scores of other lawmakers took to Twitter Wednesday to affirm their opposition.

The coordinated online protests are aimed at bringing down legislation that would empower the Justice Department and copyright holders to demand that search engines delete links to sites deemed to be “dedicated” to copyright infringement. Ad networks and payment processors would be prohibited from doing business with the sites.

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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2012, 06:26:26 PM »

Let's don't party yet!!!!  Wait until it is dead!!!  It may sneak back in!
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2012, 05:32:02 AM »

Bob, you are right of course, but in an election year they probably will not happen.  In addition it is said that Obama would veto it but I'm not so sure of that either.  It is tough figuring what he would do in this case.  Maybe he will just vote Present.   Wink
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2012, 06:13:23 AM »

Same o same o...............bash Obama....blame him for authoring and sponsoring a bill that benefits special interest and big business......supported by the owner of Fox news.  Blame Obama for bringing it to the floor of the House of Representatives......blame Obama for passing it in the House of Representatives and sending it to the Senate.  Now the Senate is getting cold feet BECAUSE IT'S AN ELECTION YEAR, and they would have to pass it before Obama has a chance to approve or veto the bill.

You don't have to be a smart guy to lock step with the nazis....you just have to believe that somehow a new President from the right party will change everything........kinda like Bush did Wink

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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2012, 06:34:48 PM »

First of all both parties had a hand in this bill and I never blamed Obama.  Where do you see that?  There where Republican sponsors to this bill for crying out loud.  Of course Harry will not back down.  Obama I'm not sure because it is controversial so he may vote "Present"   Wink  Mike you are  coming unglued.  Come on.  Some of us do think about to good of all. 

OK, quote me on where I slammed Obama or any Dem on any previous post on this topic.   Come on there where only a few responses, show me.   Roll Eyes

I would like to point out that the Hollywood crowd and unions are the biggest supporters of this craziness.   Who do they support?   Shocked
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2012, 09:19:35 AM »

And the beat goes on.   Angry The renegade  Atty. Gen. Holder is at it again. He is helping Numbnut help his Hollywood friends but another illegal act.  I thought he would learn from Fast & Furious???     Roll Eyes



US government hits Megaupload with mega piracy indictment

Seven executives charged as filesharing site shut down over accusations they cheated copyright holders out of $500m

• Explainer: a guide to understanding Sopa
• Clay Shirky: Pipa would create a consumption-only web

 Matt Williams

guardian.co.uk, Thursday 19 January 2012 23.15 GMT
 
The US government has closed down one of the world's largest filesharing websites, accusing its founders of racketeering, money laundering and presiding over "massive" online piracy.

According to prosecutors, Megaupload illegally cheated copyright holders out of $500m in revenue as part of a criminal enterprise spanning five years.

A lawyer for Megaupload told the Guardian it would "vigorously" defend itself against the charges, dismissing the criminal action as "a civil case in disguise".

News of the indictment – being framed as one of the biggest copyright cases in US history – came a day after major internet firms held a 24-hour protest over proposed anti-piracy laws.

According to a Department of Justice release, seven people associated with Megaupload were indicted by a federal grand jury earlier this month over the charges.

They included Kim Dotcom, founder of the online firm.

The 37-year-old, who also goes by Kim Tim Jim Vestor and whose real name is Kim Schmitz, is accused of heading up a criminal venture that earn Dotcom and his associates upwards of $175m.

These profits were obtained illegally through advertising and the selling of premium memberships to users of Megaupload, the justice department is claiming.

Established in 2005, the website offered a "one-click" upload, providing an easily accessible online locker for shared content.

Before being shut down, the firm boasted 50 million daily visitors, accounting for 4% of total internet traffic, the justice department claimed in its statement on the indictment.

Prosecutors allege that the website violated copyright law by illegally hosting movies, music and TV shows on a massive scale.

Those behind the website have claimed that it diligently responds to any complaint regarding pirated material.

But according to prosecutors, the accused conspirators deliberately employed a business model that encouraged the uploading of illegal material.

They say that Megaupload paid users for uploading pirated material in full awareness that they were breaking the law. In addition they failed to close the accounts of known copyright infringers.

The indictment includes chat logs with conversations between company executives, which include statements like: "we have a funny business . . . modern days pirates Smiley"

Alongside Dotcom, law enforcement officials swooped on a number of other senior members of Megaupload's staff.

Arrests were made at a number of homes in Auckland, New Zealand, on warrants issued by US authorities.

In all, addresses in nine countries including the US were raided as part of massive international operation.

Three men accused alongside Dotcom remained on the run tonight, the Department of Justice said.

About $50m dollars in assets were seized as part of the massive operation.

Meanwhile, the Megaupload website was closed down, with the FBI seizing an additional 18 domain names associated with the alleged crime.

In response to the indictment, the hacker group Anonymous, which is ostensibly unaffiliated with Megaupload, launched a cyber attack that at least temporarily brought down the websites of the justice department as well as those of the Recording Industry Association of America, Motion Picture Association of America, and Universal Music.

If found guilty of the charges, the accused Megaupload executives could face 50 years behind bars.

Ira Rothken, an attorney for Megaupload, said the firm would fight the "erroneous" charges.

Speaking from his California office, Rothken said: "The allegations appear to be incorrect and the law does not support the charges."

He added: "It is a civil case in disguise."

Asked why it was being pursued as a criminal case, Rothken replied: "You'd have to ask the prosecutors." Guardian News and Media Limited or its affiliated companies.
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2012, 06:24:15 AM »

Bob, you are right of course, but in an election year they probably will not happen.  In addition it is said that Obama would veto it but I'm not so sure of that either.  It is tough figuring what he would do in this case.  Maybe he will just vote Present.   Wink

Chicken shit...... beginning with "it is said"  You guys just can't help yourselves.  Who said? Where was it written?  Where's the quote?  More Obama bashing over a bill sponsored by your right wing buddies to allow the richest and most powerful to censor the web......the exact same thing we've been lecturing China about for years.
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