UN Health Organization Survey + Cabnet

[azbob]

- A recent "Investor's Business Daily" article provided very interesting statistics from a survey by the United  Nations International Health Organization.

Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after diagnosis:

U.S.             65%

England       46%

Canada        42%

Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received  treatment within six months:

U.S.             93%

England       15%

Canada        43%

Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it  within six months:

U.S.             90%

England       15%

Canada        43%

Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one  within one month:

U.S.             77%

England       40%

Canada        43%

Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:

U.S.             71

England       14

Canada        18

Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in "excellent  health":

U.S.             12%

England       2%

Canada        6%


I don't know about you, but I don't want "Universal Healthcare" comparable to  England or Canada .


Moreover, it was Sen. Harry  Reid who said, "Elderly Americans must learn to accept the inconveniences of  old age."

SHIP HIM TO CANADA OR ENGLAND !

He is  "elderly" himself but be sure to remember his health insurance is different from yours as Congress has their own high-end coverage!  He will never  have to learn to accept  "inconveniences"!!!
 
 
AND THE  WINNER IS VERY INTERESTING--the percentage of each  past president's cabinet who had worked in the private business sector prior  to their appointment to the cabinet. You know what the private business sector  is... a real life business, not a government job. Here are the  percentages.
 

T. Roosevelt........  38%

Taft.....................40%

Wilson ..................  52%

Harding..................49%

Coolidge..............  48%

Hoover................. 42%

F. Roosevelt.........  50%

Truman..................50%

Eisenhower...........  57%

Kennedy..............  30%

Johnson.................47%

Nixon...................  53%

Ford..................... 42%

Carter..................  32%

Reagan...................56%

GH Bush................. 51%

Clinton  ................. 39%

GW Bush................ 55% 

And the winner  of the Chicken Dinner is:
Obama................ 8%  !
 Is this because he wants to be the smartest one in the room?

Yep! That's right! Only Eight Percent!!!..the least by far of  the last 19 presidents!! And these people are trying to tell our big  corporations how to run their business? They know what's best for  GM...Chrysler... Wall Street... and you and me? 


GOD HELP  US!

[martinbsmithjr]

That is a fantastic piece. Thanks for sharing it and maybe someone somewhere will learn something.

[clover]

(1) Do either one of you gentlemen enjoy a government (local, state, federal) sponsored healthcare plan? 
(2) Should the government eliminate Medicare?
(3) Should the government eliminate Veterans Hospitals?
(4) Why do Republicans always champion running against Washington insiders who are deeply connected to big business? Scott Brown)

[azbob]

1) My insurance cost me $275/mo - yours?
2) No it is an established entitlement and the Feds made me sign up for it making my insurance secondary.
3) Veterans get damn little for serving their Country and this should be one that we all gladly pay for.  The cost of your freedom is not cheap!
4) Please re-phase question.  I don't understand.

Now don't go "dog" on me.

[clover]

(1) My insurance costs $610.....but do you have a healthcare plan sponsored by the government?
(2) Medicare is socialism...not an "entitlement"...so is Social Security.
(3) Va hospitals are socialism....4 years service = lifelong healthcare benefits (I'm a veteran...don't go dog on me)

[ragman]

clover,

(1) My insurance costs $610.....but do you have a healthcare plan sponsored by the government?
(2) Medicare is socialism...not an "entitlement"...so is Social Security.
(3) Va hospitals are socialism....4 years service = lifelong healthcare benefits (I'm a veteran...don't go dog on me)

  #3 is not actuate.  4 years of service does not necessary equal lifelong healthcare.  You must answer yes to both of these questions to have a chance of some coverage. 

Do You Qualify For VA Health Care?
Answer a few questions to find out if you qualify for free or low-cost health care benefits from the US Department of Veterans Affairs.
1. Are any of these statements true?
    You served in the active military, naval, or air service and were honorably discharged or released
    You were/are a Reservist or National Guard member and you were called to active duty by a Federal Order (for other than training purposes) and you completed the full call-up period
 Yes  No
2. Are any of these statements true?
    You were discharged or separated for medical reasons, early out, or hardship
    You served in theater of combat operations within the past 5 years
    You were discharged from the military because of a disability (not preexisting)
    You are a former Prisoner of War
    You received a Purple Heart Medal
    You receive VA pension or disability benefits
    You receive state Medicaid benefits

If you answer yes to BOTH questions you may be eligible for some benefits pending review.  You just don't serve 4 years and get free medical.  If you are a guy like me.  Veteran, no service connected disease or injury.  Means to support myself and provide for my own health care then you would not be eligible.  This is how I understand it from my experiences and friends who are veterans.  Now of course if you retire from the military that is another matter and you do get the bennies, as you should. 

[azbob]

1) I won't call it government sponsored.  It is a pool of several political divisions that offer insurance for their employees at a cost to the individual and family.  Yes the employer does pay a portion of the premium as a retention benefit which is common also in the private sector.
2) Agreed that both are socialist in nature, but I have been forced to pay into these system for many, many years, therefore I am "entitled" for a return on my money. The pittance that it is!
3) Thank God I have not had to use the VA medical benefits for any thing caused by my 8 years of service, but it is there if ever I need it.  If it socialsim then I am all for it.  We should never abandon those that severed and fought for us.  

[peterbj7]

I'd be interested to know where these "statistics" come from.  I can only speak for one, diabetes in England.  As both I and a friend have diabetes (he is insulin dependant, I am treated with pills/diet) I have made it my business to research it.  Diabetes is taken very seriously in the UK.

My friend was diagnosed after a severe episode (his first), was hospitalised immediately, and spent three days in hospital while they analysed his condition in detail and came up with a treatment regime.  He has spent two further brief spells in hospital when an adjustment to his treatment became necessary.

I was provisionally diagnosed during a routine annual check-up, and the diagnosis was confirmed six weeks later after various tests had been performed.  Treatment was immediate, and every year (each six months initially) they conduct in-depth tests to decide whether my treatment is optimal.  It has been changed in detail several times, though remains drug/diet based.

All of this was "health service" with no money changing hands at all.  Furthermore, all subsequent drugs and treatment are free, as indeed are any other drugs and medical care, even for non-diabetes-related conditions.

In the only respect in which I can assess these figures, they are wrong and severely misleading.  There are certainly things wrong with the health care system in Britain, but there is still a great deal more that is good.

[2Aggies]

If any of you would do a smidge of research you would find the whole article is BS. But you would rather debate and counter each other over a false article than do the research to tell Bob it's bs. Sorry Bob, you've been duped with bad info.

[clover]

2aggies,  I had already researched the article and found the same results you did, but that wasn't my point

The point is: 
Why is it that those that have subsidized, government sponsored health care programs don't want everyone else to have the same. 
Why is Medicare and Social Security an entitlement and not socialism.
Why do veterans get government health care, but no one else can have it.

If you can balance your check book, read a financial statement and keep a budget, you should be able to manage the government....it's just bigger numbers.  We don't need big business or their major employees feathering their past employers or sectors nests with our tax dollars.

[azbob]

2aggies, I was trying to find "source docs" and determined that it was BS also. Sorry guys, but it did get clover going.

[clover]

Thanks AZ   ....it was getting a little slow on the board!  It's either this or clip coupons

[martinbsmithjr]

Clover, I just got back to Florida from a long and liquid trip from A/C and I will resound to you in due course (though you don't merit same). I will say it must be very sad the result of looking at life through your very strange prism.

[deadserious]

(1) Do either one of you gentlemen enjoy a government (local, state, federal) sponsored healthcare plan? 
  -- I have a private health plan paid for in part by my employer.  Of that I pay about $400 a month.

(2) Should the government eliminate Medicare?
  -- Yes.  Absolutely yes. 

(3) Should the government eliminate Veterans Hospitals?
  -- Yes.  The government may provide voluntary access to health care for their employees, though it should be handled the same way as the private sector via insurance and private hospitals.

(4) Why do Republicans always champion running against Washington insiders who are deeply connected to big business? Scott Brown)
  -- Because Washington insiders are not only Washington insiders, but also deeply connected to big business.

[clover]

Bravo!