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« on: June 16, 2010, 08:21:16 AM »

This will do it!

http://www.meetup.com/WeSurroundThemGathering/messages/boards/thread/9251097/0
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2010, 01:05:33 PM »

Bob, did you read where OTO was offered help by several nations who have ships used to recover spilled oil at sea?  This happened shortly after this fiasco started.  OTO declined because the unions might have been offended by him breaking the Jones Act.  IMHO this guy doesn't have a clue.  Cry

"When the federal government isn’t sapping the initiative and expertise of local governments, it has been preventing foreign governments from helping. Just three days after the Deepwater Horizon explosion, the Dutch government offered to provide ships outfitted with oil-skimming booms and proposed a plan for building sand barriers to protect sensitive marshlands. LA Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) supported the idea, but the Obama administration refused the help. Thirteen countries have offered to help us clean up the Gulf, and the Obama administration has turned them all down.

According to one Dutch newspaper, European firms could complete the oil spill cleanup by themselves in just four months, and three months if they work with the United States, which is much faster than the estimated nine months it would take the Obama administration to go at it alone. The major stumbling block is a protectionist piece of legislation called the Jones Act which requires that all goods transported by water between U.S. ports be carried in U.S.-flag ships, constructed in the United States, owned by U.S. citizens, and crewed by U.S. citizens. But, in an emergency, this law can be temporarily waived, as DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff did after Katrina. Each day our European allies are prevented from helping us speed up the cleanup is another day that Gulf fishing and tourism jobs die."
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2010, 02:54:39 PM »

The oil industry has been de-regulated since 1998......12 years of failed policy.  Any idiot with a half a shovel full of brains can see what's going on here.  BP is running the show.  We'll pick up the check for their neglect.
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2010, 04:49:36 PM »

Ragman, yes I did read that and also heard that dingle dong says there are "no request for assistance pending".  Stupidity all around!

clover, don't we always end up paying, no matter who, what when or where?
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2010, 05:24:50 AM »

Mike, Good to see your back.  I was going to email you yesterday.  It has been dull on USA Chat with out you.  Hope all is well.   Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2010, 07:07:29 AM »

My buddy (pictured) and I were fishing at Rancho Buena Vista on the east cape of Baja.







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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2010, 08:48:28 PM »

"Bob, did you read where OTO was offered help by several nations who have ships used to recover spilled oil at sea?  This happened shortly after this fiasco started.  OTO declined because the unions might have been offended by him breaking the Jones Act.  IMHO this guy doesn't have a clue."  

Says it all! OTO , totally effin clueless!  The more the shit hits the fan the more pissed I get at Otter!
You are too smart to have been buffaloed by his bullshit!
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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2010, 04:31:37 AM »

Nice fish Mike  Grin

Too bad you didn't get a little sanity back  Wink

OTO who the hell is in charge?Huh

BP Oil Spill: Against Gov. Jindal's Wishes, Crude-Sucking Barges Stopped by Coast Guard
59 Days Into Oil Crisis, Gulf Coast Governors Say Feds Are Failing Them
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spill-gov-bobby-jindals-wishes-crude/story?id=10946379


This article says it all.  If OTO knew what he was doing and if the Federal Government understood the priority.  For crying out loud, go up to the corner store and buy some life jackets and fire extinguishes if necessary. (If they didn't already have them)  What bull shit.  The truth is they probably don't want the State Government to show them up or end a good crisis. (Forward with Cap & Trade)  Angry
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2010, 05:58:16 AM »

Thanks Jim Wink  It was a great fishing trip.  We knocked the piss out of the wahoo and tuna, and Neil got the rooster fish he always wanted.
On another note:
Why the hell should the American taxpayer clean up BP's mess?  We have the coast guard and 7000 national guardsmen "helping out" at what cost to the taxpayer?  There are lots of unemployed Americans BP could hire, boats and booms they could rent.  Let them do their job and save their oil.  We can't ask them to put up 20 billion and then tell them we're in charge of a private industry problem. It's their oil.
Besides, we're broke!  Now I wonder how far the money we spent in f*&king Haiti would have gone to alleviate some of the misery our shrimp fishermen are enduring.

Now this is the sh5t that just fries my a55:  If they like Mexico so much....move the f#@k back there and take as many of your friends with you as possible!
 http://www.sacbee.com/2010/06/18/2831519/local-fans-cheer-for-mexico-in.html
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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2010, 08:15:57 AM »

We can't ask them to put up 20 billion and then tell them we're in charge of a private industry problem. It's their oil.

An interesting note about that $20 billion.

It's being deposited into an escrow account, not into a fund dedicated to pay for cleanup.  No one except BP, the escrow bank and maybe Obama's minions have seen the escrow contract.  It is entirely possible that the $20 billion is going into escrow to be held until all lawsuits have run their course at which time it would be paid back to BP.  

Clever way to shield $20 Billion if you ask me.  And not to mention get some immediate good PR from the mainstream media that doesn't understand the term escrow.
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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2010, 08:35:28 AM »

And this just in from a liberal rag telling the truth.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/18/us/18assess.html?hp
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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2010, 10:23:16 AM »

And this just in from a liberal rag telling the truth.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/18/us/18assess.html?hp

"But President Obama’s successful move to force BP to establish a $20 billion compensation fund "

It's not a fund.  It's an escrow account.  Mainstream media gets it wrong again.
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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2010, 02:48:36 PM »

This is one more perfect example of OTO. He is clueless.   Roll Eyes  I hope the guy does a good job but the equivant of war (OTO words) delegated to a part timer.  Good Grief  Can you even imagine if GW did this?

Obama's Spill Recovery Chief Will Be Part-Time

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=10949857
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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2010, 10:10:03 AM »

Obama's thuggery is useless in fighting spill
By: MICHAEL BARONE
Senior Political Analyst
June 20, 2010

President Barack Obama waves as he exits Air Force One at Andrews Air Force Base, Md., on Friday. (Cliff Owen/AP)

Thuggery is unattractive. Ineffective thuggery even more so. Which may be one reason so many Americans have been reacting negatively to the response of Barack Obama and his administration to BP's Gulf oil spill.

Take Interior Secretary Ken Salazar's remark that he would keep his "boot on the neck" of BP, which brings to mind George Orwell's definition of totalitarianism as "a boot stamping on a human face -- forever." Except that Salazar's boot hasn't gotten much in the way of results yet.

Or consider Obama's undoubtedly carefully considered statement to Matt Lauer that he was consulting with experts "so I know whose ass to kick." Attacking others is a standard campaign tactic when you're in political trouble, and certainly BP, which appears to have taken unwise shortcuts in the Gulf, is an attractive target.

But you don't always win arguments that way. The Obama White House gleefully took on Dick Cheney on the issue of terrorist interrogations. It turned out that more Americans agreed with Cheney's stand, despite his low poll numbers, than Obama's.

Then there is Obama's decision to impose a six-month moratorium on deepwater oil drilling in the Gulf. This penalizes companies with better safety records than BP's and will result in many advanced drilling rigs being sent to offshore oil fields abroad.

The justification offered was an Interior Department report supposedly "peer reviewed" by "experts identified by the National Academy of Engineering." But it turned out the drafts the experts saw didn't include any recommendation for a moratorium. Eight of the cited experts have said they oppose the moratorium as more economically devastating than the oil spill and "counterproductive" to safety.

This was blatant dishonesty by the administration, on an Orwellian scale. In defense of a policy that has all the earmarks of mindless panic, that penalizes firms and individuals guilty of no wrongdoing and that will worsen rather than improve our energy situation. Ineffective thuggery.

And what about the decision not to waive the Jones Act, which bars foreign-flag vessels from coming to the aid of the Gulf cleanup? The Bush administration promptly waived it after Katrina in 2005. The Obama administration hasn't and claims unconvincingly that, gee, there aren't really any foreign vessels that could help.

The more plausible explanation is that this is a sop to the maritime unions, part of the union movement that gave Obama and other Democrats $400 million in the 2008 campaign cycle. It's the Chicago way: Dance with the girl that brung ya.

Or the decision to deny Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal's proposal to deploy barges to skim oil from the Gulf's surface. Can't do that until we see if they've got enough life preservers and fire equipment. That inspired blogger Rand Simberg to write a blog post he dated June 1, 1940: "The evacuation of British and French troops from the besieged French city of Dunkirk was halted today, over concerns that many of the private vessels that had been deployed for the task were unsafe for troop transport."

Finally, the $20 billion escrow fund that Obama pried out of the BP treasury at the White House when he talked for the first time, 57 days after the rig exploded, with BP Chairman Tony Hayward. It's pleasing to think that those injured by BP will be paid off speedily, but House Republican Joe Barton had a point, though an impolitic one, when he called this a "shakedown."

For there already are laws in place that insure that BP will be held responsible for damages and the company has said it will comply. So what we have is government transferring property from one party, an admittedly unattractive one, to others, not based on pre-existing laws but on decisions by one man, pay czar Kenneth Feinberg.

Feinberg gets good reviews from everyone. But the Constitution does not command "no person . . . shall . . . be deprived of life, liberty or property, without due process of law except by the decision of a person as wise and capable as Kenneth Feinberg." The Framers stopped at "due process of law."

Obama doesn't. "If he sees any impropriety in politicians ordering executives about, upstaging the courts and threatening confiscation, he has not said so," write the editors of the Economist, who then suggest that markets see Obama as "an American version of Vladimir Putin." Except that Putin is an effective thug.



Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Obama_s-thuggery-is-useless-in-fighting-spill-96684389.html#ixzz0rVKcu3Uh
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